Zon Wrote:
I am writing to inquire about your line of analog synthesizers.
They look beautiful and I was wondering when they will start shipping....
Bill Wrote:
To kick off this week's discussions...
What do people know about the new toys at
synthesizers.com? Sucks/Rocks/Hoax?
The demo mp3's sound pretty weak but
the prices are compelling.
Kevin Wrote:
Jeez.... where did this all come from?
I've never heard of this stuff and all looks totally "Moogy" slick
and at really low prices.
Who's baby is this?
Wow.... I'm impressed!
Kevin Wrote:
Well there's a few things for certain:
1. I don't know anyone that owns one.
2. Things are spoken about in a "we will", "we plan",future kind of way.
3. The web site has been highly developed and gives the impression of a "together company" with parts stock, assembly lines, internal server, etc. But it's just not very convincing.
4. The panel designs are done, say synthesizers.com and they're on that domain.
5. Much of the current draws seems equal for many modules (8 ma or 30ma mentioned many times on both rails)
6. The PCB layouts seem rather simplistic.
My guess is that we've got a some great photoshop and an
electrical engineer with access to some great equipment, but possibly
not his own. There's no reason I see why this biz can't be
successful, only that it hasn't seemed to start up yet. Even if some pics
like http://www.synthesizers.com/q119l.jpg different angles.
I'm not sure the price point that's offered can support
quality in either assembly, calibration or parts.
That is, I'm not sure this can actually be done. The prices
are low and marginally profitable, but the only way this can make
money is if robots are wholly running the joint.
JT Wrote:
Are you for real?
This all seems a little phony to me.
Mark Wrote:
*wow*... :)
Okay, so after my heart has come back to rest...
I'm interested in a QSP22, or probably a custom system. I have a lot of
modular gear now, and would love to basically add-on to it.
Steve Wrote:
I will be putting in an order in the next few weeks. What is not available
yet? The sequencer looks very worth while.
Mark Wrote
Oh, and in that picture that you pointed out:
http://www.synthesizers.com/q119l.jpg
Check the blur seam between the right and middle sections. It's clearly been "Photoshop Smudged".
Nice looking ideas though.
Ron Wrote:
Hi Roger!
I know you're very busy, just judging from your websites, etc. I'm on Analog Heaven, but I'm an engineer/firmware guy/programmer,
and have been for the last 27 years. I have similar interests in cosmology, bible things, and eqyptology. I have an extremely
rare set of books I have collected over the years on the Great Pyramid, just because, well...these things interest me!
BTW, I must commend you on the effort you're going through on your modular setup! In fact, I have to say that many of the things
YOU'RE DOING, I wish I WAS.
Just letting you know there's other "strange fellows" out there :)
THANKS!
Unknown Wrote:
Beyond the obvious Photoshop goofs, one would have to be a
little dubious of a scientist whose interests ran to "prophesy", etc. as
described in Roger Arrick's personal page at http://www.arrick.com/roger.html
(Not, of course, that there's anything cringingly absurd about them.)
Larry Wrote:
Looks like a hoax to me. Come on, the idea is to
SELL, right? If so, then their doing a bad job.
WHO is synthesizers.com?
Bill Wrote:
I've been all over your page. Your stuff looks really nice.
I think the keyboard and sequencer would be a good place
to start with your line of fun. What's availability like?
Eric Wrote:
Looks very promising, I'mj ust a bit skeptcal after the way the new "moog"
company went down... thanks for your consideration.
Mike Wrote:
Creationists... That's worse than cringingly absurd, it's..
it's... GAHH!
I know this is not the correct forum, but: Major can of
worms, OPEN:
"Credulous acceptance of baloney can cost you money; that's
what P. T. Barnum meant when he said, "There's a sucker
born every minute.
Mike Wrote
....So when a modular like yours appears out of the woodwork with no known
analog fanatics attached to it, it seemed suspicious to my (admitted
in print) paranoid mind. I'm glad the system is real and give kudos
to the effort! (More is better, AFAIC when it comes to analog synths.)
Apologies if my post caused or causes you any trouble. (However,
I stand by my reaction to Creationism. That's just me, and there's
room for everyone.)
Larry Wrote
I dunno, this company seems legit. Too bad there is no LFO
module. Only Sample & Hold. The sequencer looks pretty darn nice too!
Larry Wrote
"When the scientist steps across the threshold into
a house of worship he checks his mind at the door."
Strong minds work without a net.
Rod Wrote
You're right Mike...AH is not the place for this
discussion. We have our "religion"...you have yours. But I have yet to hear from
some Bible-thumper preaching to the list...time and again it's those who
oppose it who are spouting off at the mouth with their anti-religious
viewpoints.
The ISSUE was that someone interested in prophecy could not
possibly be a scientist. That the two are incompatible. But Sir Isaac
Newton (one of the greatest scientists of all time) also happened to write a
book on prophecy:
http://www.csg.net/eschatology/Newton.htm
Now back to our regularly scheduled program....
Skye Wrote
I live down in Austin TX, and I wanted to say
"Wow- Very nice work!"
I like the looks and the pricing of your synth creations...
Mark Wrote
Yeup, I agree... Too bad the pic is a fake. :) See my
previous message - there's obvious use of a smudge tool going on, and Kevin
pointed out the perspective of the knobs is all wrong, even if this was
shot with a super-short lens.
At about noon I decided to respond to all of this:
Hello. I was told about the posts on Analogue Heaven by Zon.
I've noticed that most people are questioning whether I actually
exist or not so I'm hoping this will help clarify things.
WHO AM I:
My name is Roger Arrick, I own and run Arrick Robotics (12 years now)
at http://www.robotics.com ,My personal information page is at
http://www.robotics.com/roger.html . I also run several websites
for embedded computing at http://www.pc104.com and http://www.controlled.com
And I build synthesizers at http://www.synthesizers.com
I keep these businesses as separate as possible. I'm in
in in the Dallas/Fort Worth Texas area in Euless
at 2107 W.Euless Blvd where I have about 3000 sq/ft - mostly
manufacturing space. Here are some other personal pictures
of me http://www.robotics.com/hp and http://www.robotics.com/arobot/501c.html
In spite of how all of this looks, I'm just one small business owner
with a handfull of hard working employees. I live in a normal 3-bedroom
house and have a family with kids and a dog, and yes, plenty
of electonic toys.
THE STORY:
Back in the late 70's when building my first 8080 computers with
CP/M, I became interested in synths mainly from Yes, Switched-on-Bach,
genesis, and the Who. I would skip school and drive to Arnold and
Morgan music in Garland to play the Arp 2600 and Melotrons. My first
kits were from Paia (which still work to this day!) and I succesfully
interfaced them to my computer. Years passed and the internet
came along. One day I discovered that there were a lot of people like
me who loved vintage synths - big knobs, cabinets, and those awesome
sounds that no one else has ever heard. Eventually I decided to build a
synthesizer and make it into a product line. This would fit nicely into
my existing manufacturing business and the design would last many years.
Since the best way these days to do business is over the internet
I tried to acquire 'synthesizer.com' domain name but the guy wanted
$50k. So I settled for 'synthesizers.com' and began building the
product line. In the beginning I meet Paul Schrieber who lives
very close to me. Paul is probably the smartest analog designer I've
ever met and a very good person to boot. We got together and I was
hoping we could come up with some mechanical/electrical standards so our
systems would be compatible. Paul decided against much of that. One
of the important things to me was the user interface, cabinets,
and cost. Paul being an excellent engineer, decide to use
very expensive pots, etc, and I decided to use open-style carbon
pots instead of listening to people complain about the price.
After a couple of years here we are, my product line is about 95%
complete and I can ship systems and most modules. Letting people
know about synthesizers.com was a strange problem. I didn't want
anyone to know until I was actually able to ship products. In the
last month or so I've watch the access logs on the website as I've
submit the site to various search engines. Over the weekend (Jun 3)
the logs went crazy but I didn't find out that it was because of
a posting on Analog heaven until I got a call from Zon Vern Pyles.
I don't have time to read these lists but I went to the archives
and saw many postings. Most of the postings were pleasant, but
some were troubling to me and prompted this letter. There are probably
some out there that will hate me just because I build synthesizers
in a way that they wouldn't but there's nothing I can do about that.
I've also received many emails from folks asking about me and it's been
a lot of fun. Whether it will result in orders or not, who knows,
this market is very strange (and small) but I'm in this for the
long haul.
PHOTOSHOP:
Concerning the photoshop questions. Getting a decent image of
a module is almost impossible with a camera. I even broke down and
bought a sony fd91 and was not pleased with the results. One night
I got an idea and acutually placed the modules on my HP 4C flatbed
scanner and the images came out great. This works great for single
and double-wide modules, but when it came to the sequencer, I had
to take 3 images and paste them together. I'm a bit new to this photoshop
thing so my seams aren't perfect but I'm still happy with the results.
That's why some of the shadows and perspective are wierd on the large
Q119 sequencer pictures at http://www.synthesizers.com/q119.html
When going through a photoshop tutorial I created the mars/synth image
on the home page which I thought people would think was cool, instead
some think it's an indication that this is all a fake. In fact one
email I got said "what's with the crappy photoshop renderings?". I
try not to let this impact me but it usually does.
FINALLY:
Anyway, I don't plan to change anyone's mind with words alone, I love
to build things and I expect this product line to last for 10-20 years.
In a couple of years everyone will know that I'm for real because there
will be many systems out there. There will probably be a magazine
review or two in a few months you people are welcome to wait and see.
There are no plans to add to the product line beyond the 'future' page
shown at the website. This is a small business and it always will be,
that's why it will work well for me.
I hope this clears some things up.
PS:
Anyone who has built a website the size of synthesizers.com knows that
it isn't some kid pulling a prank.
Roger Arrick - mailto:roger@synthesizers.com
Jim Wrote:
I think the people of Analog Heaven are universally in favor of your entry
into the market. However, a quick word of explanation (from my perspective)
on why you may have had a slightly negative response...
For the past several months there has been a hoax running on AH and other
mailing lists - some clown put together some gorgeous Photoshop renderings
of a new synthesizer, along with other marketing material, and leaked them
in strategic locations on the Net. It had a lot of people fooled - myself
among them - and in the end, most of us quite upset to learn that it was
all a hoax. So we're a little twitchy.
So again - it's nice to see your new equipment. May your fortunes rise -
Mark Wrote:
Well, I for one will apologize to you for doubting, but there's been a
number of "fun and games" out here in the world revolving around synths in
the last couple of weeks. And then there was a bit of a catastrophe
regarding the "rebirth" of Moog over the last few years via Don Martin.
The "fun and games" revolved around a full-blown faked up ad campaign for a
major polyphonic synth. We're talking someone creating a 3D wireframe and
taking it to the hilt. The spoof lasted about 6 weeks and had a lot of
people fooled.
Anyway... Welcome to the real world!
Congrats on the accomplishment, and I most certainly will look closely at
putting a system together.
Kevin Wrote:
Basically you'll have to consider that we've been duped in AH land
several times before and when we see such a slick site, it raises
questions. I didn't doubt you really, only some of what was shown on
the site. (I've been doing the panels on the scanner for quite some
time too....pretty hip, eh? :)
As for your work, I wish you utter and complete success. :)
Even if you don't need or want dealers, I would be happy to show some
of your work to some very interested parties at no charge.
Please keep in touch and best wishes,
Mark Wrote:
It was _INCREDIBLE_ Roger...
The guy makes a living as a 3D computer artist, and he's quite good.
(Sorry, these links are all dead now)
http://www.consequence-net.de/sage.html
http://hem.passagen.se/sequence/bauercoop/sage/sage.html
http://members.xoom.com/waltersworld/private/fyeo.html
Ken's original unveiling went through the various steps that he had done,
including test images and all that. The att.net link that he mentions on
his page is empty now.
The original prank included a fake scan of a magazine review, you could
even read the print-through from the "back" of the faked page.
Mike Wrote:
and no, it's the best possible time for your venture :)
Harry Wrote:
As a member of the analogue heaven list, I would like to apologize for the dragging through the mud you took recently from some
of the members. There are obviously a few rabid members who like to tear any, and everyone down. Most of us, however, are a
little more well mannered. I am very interested in your systems. I'm working on gathering my pennies together to see how much of
a system I can afford. I was looking at the Doepfer and MOTM systems mostly, but now I've seen yours and I like what I see.
Besides, like me , you are a Texan. I'm in San Antonio. Look forward to dealing with you in the near future.
Jeff Wrote:
thanks for your very upfront post to AH on the synthesizers.com issue (or
non-issue). As one who is anticipating purchasing a modular in the
future, I'm glad to see another participant.
Mark Wrote:
Keep reading through the AH mail today... This has all been explained.
The nay-sayers (that'd be a few of us here, including me) were wrong on this one, and we've all apologized to Roger.
He and I flipped mail for a while today. He's quite amazed at how bad his
timing seems to of been in the wake of the Sage.
Nice guy, building what looks to be nice gear at incredible prices. I know
I'm interested in checking it out more.
Paul Wrote:
1. congratulations to synthesizers.com for taking the
highly unusual step of manufacturing product BEFORE
announcing it, or taking our money. This is contrary to
standard industry procedure.
I suppose you could say that he has accidentally
produced a brilliant 'anti-hoax' in the mirror image of
the Sage, even producing a 'faked' image of a 'real' synth!
2. send all this god/dog stuff to AHOT
3. wasnt the 'prophesy' a synth anyway?